2024 Tacoma (4th Gen) 920B Inside Info - Development, Ordering, Production, Availability

[Dr. Carmaker1]

Very clever of the administration to jump and start up this new forum like clockwork, when the first sight of the 920B mules surfaced. Excellent work with getting all of the information here correct, as you are probably one of few entities both reporting on it and doing so correctly.

The rest (YouTubers, media, etc) are making ignorant mistakes and choosing to handle it incorrigibly. Save for one forum, majority don't really get it at all and will find themselves to be wrong, when this doesn't appear next year as a 2023 model like they claim it will.

• Development Program Code is 920B
  • 2016MY Tacoma was 989A code
    • 2020MY MMC (Mid Model Change) is called 625B code interchangeably.
  • Formal planning of this vehicle has been underway for about 4 years now, from what I do know.
    • Was targeted to enter production much earlier than planned.
      • TNGA-F suffered domino effect like delays from the top down in 2019, which warranted pushing back all redesigns by over 1 year.
  • Final styling work was wrapping about 1 year ago and was formally "frozen for production" recently.
    • Was due for executive review sometime at the end of 2020 or beginning of 2021, for styling sign-off, from what I heard via CALTY last year.
  • Was previously scheduled for start of production in Q3 2023 (to be more exact August 2023), from 2019 to Q3 2021, but is now scheduled for December 2023 per my own information (database) and further confirmed by a Toyota Tier 1 supplier.
    • Per Tier 1 supplier, 920B program was apparently delayed another 4 months.
    • Instead of launching in September 2023 as a 2024 model, it will likely arrive anywhere between late January and February 2024.
  • Vehicle pictured hereis a TNGA-F midsize mechanical mule, using Tundra body panels, chopped up and welded back together in a smaller size.
    • This isn't the final production design.
    • Mule doesn't use any body panels from the current N300 Tacoma, because the 150-Series basis (C-Channel version) likely wasn't as favorable to utilize for testing the newer TNGA-F vehicle, compared to shortening a Tundra body and slapping it on top.
    • First integrated vehicle prototypes should begin testing next year, wearing the final design.
    • Subject to executive discretion, whether or not they will be on public runs sooner than late 2022/early 2023, where they can be photographed for "spy" shots.
  • Final production design is absolutely a done deal at this point, with only minor trim work ongoing until fully locking down all aspects of styling each trim level and deeper details. Currently primary sheetmetal is fully defined, in order to design and manufacture new assembly tooling.
  • Will only be built in Toyota Motor Manufacturing Guanajuato (TMMGT) and Toyota Motor Manufacturing Baja California (TMMBC).
  • Will be offered with a new Dynamic Force I4 hybrid.

The current Tacoma has always been intended to have a much shorter life cycle, being that it was developed in a meager 3 1/2 years from 2011 to 2015, compared to the average 5-6 years it takes to develop a new body on frame vehicle.

The idea a 10 year run is automatic, is misbegotten and doesn't take into account market conditions and product planning circumstances, unique to each past generation of Tacoma.

Toyota in 2009 cancelled redesigning a fully new 3rd generation Tacoma due to the Great Recession and focused on developing a heavy facelift of the 2nd generation vehicle for 2012MY, after already being updated for MY2009 in October 2008.

Product planning decisions were made to later develop a Major Minor Change, now instead designated a "new" generation for MY 2016 as a stop-gap, instead of a fully new Tacoma for MY2014 that only had evolutionary styling ties to its predecessor and no shared components.

It was only supposed to last 6 to 8 years in production, from Job 1 in Summer of 2015 and market launch on September 10, 2015 as a 2016 model. Not 10-11 years, as seen expected.

2nd generation Tacoma was in production from August 2004 to Summer 2015, initially launching on October 18, 2004 as a 2005 model and retired on September 9, 2015.

It was manufactured at NUMMI (now owned by Tesla) from September 2004 to March 26, 2010. TMMBC Mexico from December 2004 to August 2015 and TMMTX Texas from June 2010 to August 2015.

More long term, a plan was decided to create TNGA and gradually implement across various segments, starting with Corolla sized vehicles by mid-2010s, working it's way up to body on frame vehicles in the early 2020s.

TNGA-F has now debuted in June 2021 via the 2022 Land Cruiser 300 (700B Program) press release and stateside via the 780B Program 2022 Tundra pickup.

It will make its way to the Tacoma and 4Runner for 2024, after multiple delays along the way.

Hilux will allegedly join TNGA-F, but currently it is based on the heavy duty, developing world focused IMV architecture, not shared with more upscale Land Cruiser Prado 150-based Tacoma.

It is not known if the two trucks will maintain unique styling or if they will be twinned once again, like prior to March 1995.

2023 MY Tacoma will go on sale in October 2022 and run through December 2023 in showrooms. Production is scheduled to begin in August 2022 and end in November 2023. Last MY of the current generation vehicle, it is mostly carryover.

(DISCLAIMER: Originally typed in October 2021 when the first 920B mules surfaced)

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[JLD94]

So what engines are expected and any improvements to read seat leg room on the double cab?

 

[PCL]

Fingers crossed that I4 hybrid has a little more emphasis on fuel economy than its big brother. I'd go from not really interested in a Taco for my next truck to it being the frontrunner.

 

[DanielT]

@Dr. Carmaker1 any word on the EV? They better bring it. There's a ton of competition it's entering into from the R1T to all the new "Lightning" trademarks Ford just registered for Ranger, Maverick etc.

 

[Mrknowitall]

• Instead of launching in September 2023 as a 2024 model, it will likely arrive anywhere between late January and February 2024.

• At least by then they should be the last to the party: The Colorado/Canyon and Ranger should be well under way, and the Gladiator should have its mid-cycle refesh, complete with new Hybrid and Turbo powertrains

• • Vehicle pictured hereis a TNGA-F midsize mechanical mule, using Tundra body panels, chopped up and welded back together in a smaller size.
    • This isn't the final production design.
    • Mule doesn't use any body panels from the current N300 Tacoma, because the 150-Series basis (C-Channel version) likely wasn't as favorable to utilize for testing the newer TNGA-F vehicle, compared to shortening a Tundra body and slapping it on top.
    • First integrated vehicle prototypes should begin testing next year, wearing the final design.
    • Subject to executive discretion, whether or not they will be on public runs sooner than late 2022/early 2023, where they can be photographed for "spy" shots.
  • Final production design is absolutely a done deal at this point, with only minor trim work ongoing until fully locking down all aspects of styling each trim level and deeper details. Currently primary sheetmetal is fully defined, in order to design and manufacture new assembly tooling.
  • Will only be built in Toyota Motor Manufacturing Guanajuato (TMMGT) and Toyota Motor Manufacturing Baja California (TMMBC).

All this makes me wonder if the current mules are even indicative of an eventual Tacoma Access and Double cabs- if those names even carry over, rather than adopting Tundra nomenclature.

• • Will be offered with a new Dynamic Force I4 hybrid.

But which Dynamic Force engine? Both the NA A25 and T24 Turbo are paired with transverse hybrid powertrains, but neither is in a longitudional hybrid that I'm aware of.

Hilux will allegedly join TNGA-F, but currently it is based on the heavy duty, developing world focused IMV architecture, not shared with more upscale Land Cruiser Prado 150-based Tacoma.

It is not known if the two trucks will maintain unique styling or if they will be twinned once again, like prior to March 1995.

I would expect the Hilux to share much w/ the Tacoma, but with some larger components and frame sections to handle the higher GVWs. Styling will remain separate, with smaller fender bulges on the Hilux, to accommodate narrow models. I would be surprised if it received a composite box.

 

[JLD94]

Fingers crossed that I4 hybrid has a little more emphasis on fuel economy than its big brother. I'd go from not really interested in a Taco for my next truck to it being the frontrunner.

That's the same boat I'm in.... it would move to the top of my list if there was an emphasis on MPG's.... that and would have to have a decent rear seat

 

[Dr. Carmaker1]

@Dr. Carmaker1 any word on the EV? They better bring it. There's a ton of competition it's entering into from the R1T to all the new "Lightning" trademarks Ford just registered for Ranger, Maverick etc.

Hey, this was typed and posted originally in October 2021, so I didn't know about such EV information then. There was an unfortunate plagiarism issue with so many sites stealing from Tacoma4G, so some restructuring had to be done to protect that insight in late 2021.

I haven't edited this post since 52 weeks ago, but it just has a much later timestamp on it due to some concerns that required it to be removed from public view.

I do have information on the EV and hybrids, but I have to think about my place in this discussion.

 

[JLD94]

Hey, this was typed and posted originally in October 2021, so I didn't know about such EV information then. There was an unfortunate plagiarism issue with so many sites stealing from Tacoma4G, so some restructuring had to be done to protect that insight in late 2021.

I haven't edited this post since 52 weeks ago, but it just has a much later timestamp on it due to some concerns that required it to be removed from public view.

I do have information on the EV and hybrids, but I have to think about my place in this discussion.

Thanks for the updated information. Are you able to share if there will be a MPG focused model, or will it be similar to Tundra in that MPG's were not a concern?

Also any improvements in interior room?

Thanks for whatever you are able to give....if anything

 

[Dr. Carmaker1]

Thanks for the updated information. Are you able to share if there will be a MPG focused model, or will it be similar to Tundra in that MPG's were not a concern?

Also any improvements in interior room?

Thanks for whatever you are able to give....if anything

I cannot answer that reliably, as I am not a firsthand source, but do know quite of a few of them at Toyota and the head of prototype development himself. The latter is very, very silent because of his job security and competitive knowledge concerns. You're very welcome.

You should look forward to new spy shots as said before, as my info says that production of the first and only US-built 920B vehicles will begin this Tuesday according two of my contacts. This will appear before photographers cameras very soon.

 

[Dr. Carmaker1]

I'm refraining from commenting on this further, but I will note here that, the new Tacoma will be revealed in some 6 weeks time, once the stage for the Grand Highlander dims a bit.

Over the past 4 years I've put in a lot of effort to keep people informed on this truck, despite my position. I don't think it really counts for much at this point and I'm moving on, especially since it will be out soon.

The week of April 3, 2023 is what I learned on February 14th. If I am wrong for some weird reason and last minute change of plans, well not my issue going forward. I only can pass on information I am aware of, not predict if Toyota will change venue or dates.

One thing is for certain, production begins as early as November in some places and December mostly to my knowledge. Whether that's being staggered between Guanajuato and Baja, who knows?

To my knowledge, 4 different powertrains. Getting mixed info on BEV between sales and engineering but on the corporate end of things no BEV and 920B Tier 1 Suppliers can attest to this. They don't see it in the internal manufacturing timeline, only Tacoma and Tacoma Hybrid(s).

Base I4, V6, I4 Hybrid and Turbo Hybrid (Pro Only). That is not new information, which I mentioned a few months ago.

This is the last post I will make.

 

[JLD94]

I'm refraining from commenting on this further, but I will note here that, the new Tacoma will be revealed in some 6 weeks time, once the stage for the Grand Highlander dims a bit.

Over the past 4 years I've put in a lot of effort to keep people informed on this truck, despite my position. I don't think it really counts for much at this point and I'm moving on, especially since it will be out soon.

The week of April 3, 2023 is what I learned on February 14th. If I am wrong for some weird reason and last minute change of plans, well not my issue going forward. I only can pass on information I am aware of, not predict if Toyota will change venue or dates.

One thing is for certain, production begins as early as November in some places and December mostly to my knowledge. Whether that's being staggered between Guanajuato and Baja, who knows?

To my knowledge, 4 different powertrains. Getting mixed info on BEV between sales and engineering but on the corporate end of things no BEV and 920B Tier 1 Suppliers can attest to this. They don't see it in the internal manufacturing timeline, only Tacoma and Tacoma Hybrid(s).

Base I4, V6, I4 Hybrid and Turbo Hybrid (Pro Only). That is not new information, which I mentioned a few months ago.

This is the last post I will make.

Thank you for the information. Seeing it revealed in 6ish weeks would be wonderful news as it would hopefully give me a better idea on if this is what I will be hoping to get at the end of the year.

When Grand Highlander was reveled with 3 engine options it made me hopeful for the Tacoma having an option I was hoping for. Really surprised at the V6 though.

 

[Xtreme Thunder]

Thanks for the insight. I'm not excited the I4 Turbo + Hybrid is noted for TRD Pro only. (Toyota Tax $$$$$$) I would pay for such option in TRD Sport/ OR/ Limited.

Curious about the I4 + Hybrid. I wonder if the ICE component engine is 2.5L displacement that's been in service in other Toyota products or if there is going to be a new displacement? I don't like the powertrain in my 2019. The NA V6/ 6AT is the most unnatural feeling powertrain I've owned to date. I thought I could live with it, but each day I get more and more frustrated with it in the long term.

I'm surprised the word is still for them to retain the ancient I4 and, to a lesser extent, V6.

Hopefully the seating position changes and they sneak 2-3 inches of additional legroom in the rear.

 

[JLD94]

Thanks for the insight. I'm not excited the I4 Turbo + Hybrid is noted for TRD Pro only. (Toyota Tax $$$$$$) I would pay for such option in TRD Sport/ OR/ Limited.

Curious about the I4 + Hybrid. I wonder if the ICE component engine is 2.5L displacement that's been in service in other Toyota products or if there is going to be a new displacement? I don't like the powertrain in my 2019. The NA V6/ 6AT is the most unnatural feeling powertrain I've owned to date. I thought I could live with it, but each day I get more and more frustrated with it in the long term.

I'm surprised the word is still for them to retain the ancient I4 and, to a lesser extent, V6.

Hopefully the seating position changes and they sneak 2-3 inches of additional legroom in the rear.

I am fine with the Max Hybrid... but to be fair I would probably not be buying an upper trim so I would never even have the option.

I can't imagine they would be creating a new displacement.... it would seem there is more than enough power in the 2.5HEV found in some larger vehicles like Sienna, Highlander, Grand Highlander. Anyone interested in that option is not looking to be super fast or anything like that.

Like you, I don't understand the V6 because what would that even be at this point....nothing new... the same one that is in use currently? Doesn't make sense unless they are really worried about die hards not wanting a 4cyl..... in which case it has to go away as some point. Part of the reasons for these 4cyl is to meet future emissions. Anyway..... I don't know much about all that.

It will for sure have to have fix the cabin for me to be interested. 3" at least in the rear seat. With the post comparing the cabs I am hoping that with the slight changes in shape, etc that it is fixed.

 

[Xtreme Thunder]

I like the Hybrid Max, it’s just a bummer if it ends up being TRD Pro exclusive. I actually prefer such powertrain configuration.

The I4 2.5L output, engine alone, is around 185HP/175TQ in most “larger” crossovers, some “smaller” applications around 205HP. Not sure on the specifics on adding electric motor between engine and transmission as it translates to Net HP/TQ ratings. A lot of those crossovers that use that engine in Hybrid form use 1 or 2 electric assist motors for Net HP. Even the Tundra electric motor component is 48HP/184TQ… where 48HP/104TQ of that motor translates to the actual rating.

It’s all emissions reasons.

I just want decent HP/TQ in midsize truck and not have to spend $60K+ to get it.

I guess we will know soon enough. Curious to see, but I’m not getting my hopes up.

 

[JLD94]

I like the Hybrid Max, it’s just a bummer if it ends up being TRD Pro exclusive. I actually prefer such powertrain configuration.

The I4 2.5L output, engine alone, is around 185HP/175TQ in most “larger” crossovers, some “smaller” applications around 205HP. Not sure on the specifics on adding electric motor between engine and transmission as it translates to Net HP/TQ ratings. A lot of those crossovers that use that engine in Hybrid form use 1 or 2 electric assist motors for Net HP. Even the Tundra electric motor component is 48HP/184TQ… where 48HP/104TQ of that motor translates to the actual rating.

It’s all emissions reasons.

I just want decent HP/TQ in midsize truck and not have to spend $60K+ to get it.

I guess we will know soon enough. Curious to see, but I’m not getting my hopes up.

I am hoping for an SR5 trim with some appearance goodies that gets 30 MPG combined has at least 36 inches of rear legroom for under $40K

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