Did toyota make a mistake by no longer building the v six engine?

[Bigdog1956]

I am wondering if anybody else is thinking the same thought.Why can't Toyota build a V6 engine? That is turbo charged that has the horsepower and gas mileage that the competition has?

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[TalkingTaco444]

I am wondering if anybody else is thinking the same thought.Why can't Toyota build a V6 engine? That is turbo charged that has the horsepower and gas mileage that the competition has?

Can you point to a competitors turbo v6 and tell me both the mpg and torque?

then you’ll have your answer.

 

[Bigdog1956]

I have a 20/20 Ford F-150 3.5 ltr. 370 hp and 470 ft. Lbs of torque.
I drive this truck in eco mode 67-68 mph. This truck regularly outperforms EPA gas mileage. I filled up in Amarillo Texas to Raton New Mexico it got 24.9 miles per gallon. I am retired and drive this truck easy since fuel cost is very important for me at today's prices. A Tacoma with a V6 engine would be Apples to Apples but in a smaller truck size should get better gas mileage. The point I am making I drive my trucks till they're dead. The Toyota pickup truck or legendary for their V6 engines getting 300,000 to 500,000 miles on a overhaul non turbocharged,
why did they change their engines?

 

[JBSwine]

only mistake is not trying to figure out how to get the Tundra V6TT in it......

 

[JustAnotherDingus]

Eh I don’t think they made a mistake. As someone who unfortunately has to sit in city traffic upwards of 20+ hrs a week for work, I’m thankful for car engines that emit less gak into the air. It’s nicer for the lungs.

this new engine delivers better torque/horsepower and seems to shift better and not jump around as much while returning equal if not slightly better fuel economy …. All while emitting less gak into the air. The only wild card is reliability of course but I think the other trade offs are worth a temporary question mark in that category.

For what it’s worth, I’m over 100k into a single turbo gas engine in my current vehicle (non Toyota) and oh you can bet your butt plenty has gone wrong over the years, but the powertrain itself has been flawless. Turbos don’t worry me.

 

[JustAnotherDingus]

I have a 20/20 Ford F-150 3.5 ltr. 370 hp and 470 ft. Lbs of torque.
I drive this truck in eco mode 67-68 mph. This truck regularly outperforms EPA gas mileage. I filled up in Amarillo Texas to Raton New Mexico it got 24.9 miles per gallon. I am retired and drive this truck easy since fuel cost is very important for me at today's prices. A Tacoma with a V6 engine would be Apples to Apples but in a smaller truck size should get better gas mileage. The point I am making I drive my trucks till they're dead. The Toyota pickup truck or legendary for their V6 engines getting 300,000 to 500,000 miles on a overhaul non turbocharged,
why did they change their engines?

they changed their engine design to conform with EPA and international emissions regulations. The EU is implementing some very strict rules that I believe go into effect in 2025 and that has set the tone for a lot of automakers who sell there. It’s the way the world is going.

Auto makers classifying everything under the sun as a light truck to circumvent emissions and fuel economy regulations set by the EPA decades ago staved off this change for a while in the US, but it’s always been inevitable. This is also the reason we have a bazillion cookie cutter crossovers and needlessly large SUVs with awful sight lines and the station wagon + family sedan has gone by the wayside in the US. I think station wagons are rad but they have stricter fuel and emissions regs so companies stoped building them which is a shame. That carve out for light trucks in the EPA guidelines (a carve out automakers requested) was really to exempt tradies and farm vehicles.

This shift in vehicle size cus of auto companies using a loophole also causes a ton of needless wear and tear on our roads cus heavy vehicles do more damage which costs us taxpayers a TONNNN of money. It’s also part of the reason pedestrian fatalities in auto accidents have been increasing — instead of getting hit at or below the knees, people are getting hit in the chest by bigger vehicles, which lowers the survival rate.

That was a bit of a tangent as to why an engine is changing, but I’m a big believer in having context!

that being said, I am a little nervous about the new power train’s reliability, but I think it’s gonna end up being OK. They’ve had plenty of time to R&D this technology. Plus, there are so many third gen Tacomas out there if anyone is really nervous about the new powertrain, it’s pretty easy to find one and mod it to your tastes which is great!

 

[FirstTimeTruckBuyer]

The automotive industry in general has been gravitating towards smaller displacement forced induction engines over the last decade. As emissions regulations become more stringent, it will be tougher for manufacturers to continue offering larger engines. In the not so distant future, it wouldn’t surprise me to see most gas engines replaced by electric motors, or at least supplemented by them. EV seems to be the future, for better or worse, although Toyota seems focused on hybrids at the moment.

The Frontier, Ridgeline, and Gladiator still offer a naturally aspirated V6 (although the 2024 Gladiator dropped the turbo V6 diesel). The new 2024 Ranger offers a turbo-V6 at the higher trim levels, but a turbo-four at the lower trims. The new GM twins only offer a turbo-four now, like the Tacoma.

Personally, I’m okay with the new turbo-four in the new Tacoma. Sure, it would’ve been cool if Toyota had figured out how to offer the Tundra’s twin-turbo V6 in the smaller/lighter Tacoma (although that may push the price closer to Tundra territory), but at least the new turbo-four produces more low-end torque than the outgoing naturally aspirated V6 and still achieves the same or slightly better fuel economy. Also, for those who live at higher altitudes, the forced induction should be a benefit vs the outgoing engine. And I’m glad they mated it to an eight-speed transmission, as the old six-speed left a lot to be desired. With any new powertrain, longevity is always a question, but at least Toyota isn’t new to turbos, so that helps put my mind at ease. For those who want more power, the hybrid powertrain at the upper trim levels should satisfy. Personally, the non-hybrid meets my needs, so I can’t justify paying the hybrid premium, nor do I want the added complexity. Overall, I don’t think Toyota dropped the ball with the new powertrain, but time will tell.

 

[Bigdog1956]

The Tacoma V6.
Should have beenturbocharged with a 3.5-liter V6 with 278 horsepower and 265 ftlb. of torque. This is amazing on what you could do with modern engine technology. This would've been a great power plant.

 

[Tsturbo]

Can’t wait for the Hybrid iForceMAX to arrive, that thing is going to be a beast and blast to drive all while getting much better MPG’s vs the competition!! This combo is going to DOMINATE

 

[bking]

I'm also fine with turbo engines. My last 2 Fords (19 Ranger, 21 F150) are turbo and had no problem. Also, remember manufacturers (including Toyota) have been using turbos in their commercial diesel engines for years and those go for hundreds of thousands of miles.

 

[Gear_yyc]

The Tacoma V6.
Should have beenturbocharged with a 3.5-liter V6 with 278 horsepower and 265 ftlb. of torque. This is amazing on what you could do with modern engine technology. This would've been a great power plant.

Toyota already has a twin turbo V6 in the tundra. I wouldn't be surprised if a future Tacoma like an X-Runner has that engine in it.

 

[Bigdog1956]

That is interesting why don't you please post the specs on that engine.

 

[FirstTimeTruckBuyer]

That is interesting why don't you please post the specs on that engine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Dynamic_Force_engine#V35A-FTS

https://www.toyota.com/tundra/2023/tundra-features/

https://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=192

 

[Bigdog1956]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Dynamic_Force_engine#V35A-FTS

https://www.toyota.com/tundra/2023/tundra-features/

https://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=192

You made my point exactly. Ford can fit a V6 Turbo charged engine under their hood. Why can't Tacoma engineers fit one in there trucks.

 

[Gear_yyc]

You made my point exactly. Ford can fit a V6 Turbo charged engine under their hood. Why can't Tacoma engineers fit one in there trucks.

They can, but for what? Toyota is not interested in having the best numbers. If you want the 3.5TT in a smaller Toyota chassis, get the Lexus GX550.

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