Speculation on future performance upgrades?

[Hannzie]

Looks like this Berger JB4 tuner is getting closer to being released…. Wonder if they are using ms109 fuel to get the extreme horsepower increase?

https://burgertuning.com/products/j...PqoGvJF56J7K8G4eUvJRii&variant=45712792682670

How safe is the jb4 tuner? Have no experience with tuners but would love the extra hp.

Sponsored

 

[32spoke]

Your question prompted me to research.. I assume much by looking at the Tundra V6 turbo Berger option, but it is what I think is similar enough. The tundra peeps like what they have, one guy sold his-selling his truck. Another person gave the same warning that I was concerned about… warranty. Black and white issue, this will void engine and powertrain warranty if noticed. I would say that this is a calculated risk.

Also, though the Berger enhancement may be removed, I would bet you good money that Toyota has torque log data that cannot be removed, also- looking at MAF and MAP readings would raise an eyebrow at a technician level possibly, and definitely for Toyota engineers, if something failed and a warranty was involved.

I am not so concerned for the transmission and differential. But I do have concerns for the engine…also, the video Berger has for the Tacoma, shows an aftermarket air cleaner setup-the typical oiled cone filter. As others on this forum have pointed out: the oiled air filters do pass more particulate into the engine. The video shown for this “oiled” air filter, is an eye opener. Also, those living in California, it is not legal to have the Berger Hardware/software installed in their 2024 tacomas and used on public roads. That is, until Berger submits their merchandise to the California Air Resources Board, and has their product tested. It would likely pass, and be able to obtain and EO number, but it costs money and Berger might consider it if they research California 2024 tacoma VIO data. Whatever loss they incurred would likely be offset by California legal purchases.

 

[Hannzie]

Your question prompted me to research.. I assume much by looking at the Tundra V6 turbo Berger option, but it is what I think is similar enough. The tundra peeps like what they have, one guy sold his-selling his truck. Another person gave the same warning that I was concerned about… warranty. Black and white issue, this will void engine and powertrain warranty if noticed. I would say that this is a calculated risk.

Also, though the Berger enhancement may be removed, I would bet you good money that Toyota has torque log data that cannot be removed, also- looking at MAF and MAP readings would raise an eyebrow at a technician level possibly, and definitely for Toyota engineers, if something failed and a warranty was involved.

I am not so concerned for the transmission and differential. But I do have concerns for the engine…also, the video Berger has for the Tacoma, shows an aftermarket air cleaner setup-the typical oiled cone filter. As others on this forum have pointed out: the oiled air filters do pass more particulate into the engine. The video shown for this “oiled” air filter, is an eye opener. Also, those living in California, it is not legal to have the Berger Hardware/software installed in their 2024 tacomas and used on public roads. That is, until Berger submits their merchandise to the California Air Resources Board, and has their product tested. It would likely pass, and be able to obtain and EO number, but it costs money and Berger might consider it if they research California 2024 tacoma VIO data. Whatever loss they incurred would likely be offset by California legal purchases.

I appreciate the feedback. I guess I’ll wait til it’s released and see the feedback. Love the torque on the hybrids but a little more hp would be nice, especially with the ranger raptor getting that factory tune. Hard not to be envious…lol

 

[WKTJR1]

I watched the video, and while it was impressive, you know it was tuned for peak output.

I would say it's an absolute certainty that all those parameters are saved in permanent memory. Emission compliance is the most likely reason for extensive monitoring; everything affects emissions. To get a compliant engine that produces good power, drivability, and lasts 300k miles, you need features like shutters, fast warmups, two types of fuel injection systems, variable valve control, turbocharging, etc., all controlled by a complex ECU that measures parameters in milliseconds.

If you bring in your truck for an engine or transmission issue, those parameters will be pulled, and when they see that they are out of spec, they will deny any warranty claim since it most likely can't be explained by any other scenario than a tune. While it's a piggyback system, it doesn't matter. It really comes down to how much time and effort you want to put into fighting the denial.

Sponsored