Need some guidance changing from OEM tires

[emerica243]

Hey all,

Been doing alot of browsing, reading, video watching, etc on this subject. But i need to determine what wheels and tires to put on the truck. Ill try to keep it simple. Please keep in mind i never had a truck, so be nice .

The Off Road seems to come stock with 17" wheels with 265/70R17 BFG Goodrich TA tires. Interesting fact i didnt know, these OEM tires coming on the truck arent the same as id you bought them yourself. They have less rubber and they arent 3 peak certified. I guess a way for Toyota to keep costs a littler lower? What is the offset on the stock wheels? Anyone know?

Anyway, i dont really do off roading, overlanding, etc. I really only want to meet the following needs.

1. Tire needs to be tolerable(road noise) for daily road\pavement driving.
2. Performs well in the winter\snow.
3. Performs well in any off road\pot hole ridden\side road(game lands roads). I dont care about overlanding or mud pits.
4. No rubbing\modifications with stock suspension.
5. Flush or a little of poke.
6. Ideally not drastically altering my mpg or trucks function.

From my research im getting the the vibe on using a 17x8.5 sized wheel. Method seems to be affordable and popular. So im fine with that. I also believe that based on my flush to minimal poke id be wanting to look for +25 offset? The following combination of tire sizes is what im commonly seeing being used and stating to be fine on stock suspensions. Anyone have confirmations or comments on such?

• 275/70/17
• 275/75/17
• 285/70/17
• 285/75/17

Im not sure if the two 285 tires are truly runnable without rubbing or cutting issues on a stock suspension? Can anyone confirm? Regardless, id be fine with the 275 options since it seems a bit more common and available and id imagine be a bit cheaper?

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[NewtoToyota]

I am on stock suspension running methods +25 with 285/70 R17 tires. No rubbing at all even when off road with wheels tucked.

As far as size, to limit any hit on MPG I would be looking for the lightest tire in those sizes. I personally run the Wildpeak AT4W's and have also heard good things about the BFG Ko3'S. Those are the two I am most familiar with but I am sure others will chime in with other good options

 

[Bluznvice]

I'm always amused that the first thing newbie owners want to do is swap out wheels and tires.

You don't say what model you have. Offset on the OEM wheels is +55. Poke will be determined somewhat by the model you have. They have different size fender flares.

As far as your criteria, the OEM Trail Terrain tires meet all those criteria. Anything different, and you're going to have a trade off. Most certainly a drop in MPG with anything larger and/or more aggressive than OEM.

The biggest you can go is a 285/70 R17 (if sticking with 17" wheels), with a +20, +25, or +35 offset with no modifications. Closest to flush with just a little poke will be the +35's depending on your flares.

If you want to minimize weight, look at SCS wheels, but you'll be be stuck with +20 offset, maybe more poke than you want.

 

[Burgi]

The trail terrain is a great tire for most people. It’s light, quiet, soft and rides better than AT tires. I don’t do any off-roading but I’ve had it down a few muddy dirt roads where it did fine.

 

[emerica243]

I'm always amused that the first thing newbie owners want to do is swap out wheels and tires.

You don't say what model you have. Offset on the OEM wheels is +55. Poke will be determined somewhat by the model you have. They have different size fender flares.

As far as your criteria, the OEM Trail Terrain tires meet all those criteria. Anything different, and you're going to have a trade off. Most certainly a drop in MPG with anything larger and/or more aggressive than OEM.

The biggest you can go is a 285/70 R17 (if sticking with 17" wheels), with a +20, +25, or +35 offset with no modifications. Closest to flush with just a little poke will be the +35's depending on your flares.

If you want to minimize weight, look at SCS wheels, but you'll be be stuck with +20 offset, maybe more poke than you want.

My second paragraph, first sentence. Although my fault for not being more clear, I just assumed the fact i stated "Off Road" would of insinuated thats my trim in question here.

Thank you for letting me know what the stock offset is, interesting.

It seems like 285\70\R17 is what im going to go after after many hours of browsing threads and looking at images here with peoples feedback as well.

Those SCS wheels are pretty sick looking. Ill have to try to find a few example models on some other vehicles to see how i feel. Im sure the 20-35 offset range would be fine, i dont plan on changing from the OEM Off Road flares. I just dont want that obnoxious stance of too extreme of an offset, and I put on larger mud flaps and running boards for a reason, to not get paint chipped to hell.

Trust me, wheels and tires is no where near my first thing ive changed. Its been 3 weeks of ownership and im about 8 modifications in, just now finally getting to wanting to change the appearance with the wheels and tire combo.

The trail terrain is a great tire for most people. It’s light, quiet, soft and rides better than AT tires. I don’t do any off-roading but I’ve had it down a few muddy dirt roads where it did fine.

I took them out for the first time in our snow we just had of about 5 inches. They seemed to behave fine for what they are. However just from feel, my bridgestone blizzaks on the Explorer felt 1000x better then these did on this vehicle. One thing I dont like about the trail terrains though is they are truely not a snow\3 peak rated tire. Not the OEM ones that come on the truck anyway as they are purposely missing a chunk of the rubber compared to the retail versions that are 3 peak rated. If im getting different wheels anyway, I figured I might as well get a bit more aggressive looking set of rubber that also should perform "better" in these conditions. As of now im leaning towards Falken Wildpeak AT4Ws. I watched a Tire rack video that was recently posted where they went over like 10 tires and did a bunch of tests, rating them all. Interesting watch if not seen already.

 

[f7eleven]

1. Tire needs to be tolerable(road noise) for daily road\pavement driving.
2. Performs well in the winter\snow.
3. Performs well in any off road\pot hole ridden\side road(game lands roads). I dont care about overlanding or mud pits.
4. No rubbing\modifications with stock suspension.
5. Flush or a little of poke.
6. Ideally not drastically altering my mpg or trucks function.

put Load Range C 285/70/R17 BFG KO3's or KO2's on your stock rims.

there are posts of this setup on this forum

KO2's are slightly lighter, slightly cheaper. KO3's better in the snow.

 

[f7eleven]

also, nice spreadsheet, nerd. <3 (i did the same thing)

 

[Bluznvice]

On my OR, I have +25 Icon Compressions with 285/70 R17 C rated tires. They give me exactly 1" of poke. Not obnoxious.

Slightly stiffer than stock, but feels more planted. They increased my turn radius slightly. On wet roads, they're not as good as stock, but tolerable. Fine on dry roads.

Biggest impact has been mpg, where I've lost about 4 mpg average. Withe the small fuel tank it's kind of a pita, typically 226-245 on fill-up.

 

[tacorancher]

The trail terrain is a great tire for most people. It’s light, quiet, soft and rides better than AT tires. I don’t do any off-roading but I’ve had it down a few muddy dirt roads where it did fine.

I just ordered some Blaze 10 bronze SCS wheels in 17x8.5 +20 for my Trailhunter. I like the 17” tire options better than the 18” options. I’m down to 3 tires:

285/70/17 Falken AT4 - 32.8 to 33” depending on load range (SL or C)
285/70/17 Baja Boss - 32.8” to 33” depending on load range (SL or E)
285/75/17 Toyo AT3 - 33.9” (C load)

I *think* the Toyos will fit based on another member’s experience but my 275/70/18 Falkens (33.4” in load E) currently have very little clearance and they are smaller than the 285/75/17 on paper.

I’m always surprised how big and beefy 285/70/17s look on the new Tacoma despite being just under 33” in diameter (I think the width and sidewall help a ton). That may be enough for me and I think it looks good. Curious if anyone has a recommendation between these options. My plan is to see if Discount tire will let me look at all 3 in person.

 

[Bluznvice]

You'll probably have to remove the crash plates for the 75's.

IIRC the Baja Boss SL's are the lightest. No need for E rated tires, and they'll kill your mpg.

 

[tacorancher]

You'll probably have to remove the crash plates for the 75's.

IIRC the Baja Boss SL's are the lightest. No need for E rated tires, and they'll kill your mpg.

Agreed on all 3 points. 1) 75s will probably rub, 2) Baja boss are lightest at 48 pounds and 3) E rated sucks (I have them now — stiff).

My question is why are the falken SL so much heavier than the baja boss (53.3 vs 48 pounds). The Baja boss has deeper treads (18.5/32 versus 14/32). The only thing I can think of is the Baja boss has bigger voids. But if the Falkens run bigger or thicker I am fine with the added weight because the SCS wheels are so damn light I’ll be dropping tons of weight anyway.

Any thoughts on this?

I think I just need to see them side by side. My ideal tire is something as close to 33.5” as possible - between the 70 and 75 basically. So if the Falken “runs big” that’s great. But I’ve seen the Baja boss on a Trailhunter in 285/70/17 SL and they look great! Have not seen many pictures of the Falkens in that size.


Update — I just met a dude in the parking lot of a coffee shop near my house running SCS wheels with Toyo at3 285/75/17s on his 4Runner lol - he loves them. They look great too. But man they look big. I think I’d need to take off the crash pad and I don’t really want to.

 

[Bluznvice]

Just opinions here...

I would eliminate the Toyo's. I don't believe they performed as well as the other 2.

The Mickey's are definitely the most aggressive looking and highly rated for performance.

The AT4's are probably a little better than the others in wet conditions.

I'd still go with the Mickey's for good performance and weight savings. Why not maximize the weight instead of giving it up. Every little bit helps with this tiny gas tank, and unsprung weight is huge savings and maybe a little more giddyup.

 

[MT-Taco]

Hey all,

Been doing alot of browsing, reading, video watching, etc on this subject. But i need to determine what wheels and tires to put on the truck. Ill try to keep it simple. Please keep in mind i never had a truck, so be nice .

The Off Road seems to come stock with 17" wheels with 265/70R17 BFG Goodrich TA tires. Interesting fact i didnt know, these OEM tires coming on the truck arent the same as id you bought them yourself. They have less rubber and they arent 3 peak certified. I guess a way for Toyota to keep costs a littler lower? What is the offset on the stock wheels? Anyone know?

Anyway, i dont really do off roading, overlanding, etc. I really only want to meet the following needs.

1. Tire needs to be tolerable(road noise) for daily road\pavement driving.
2. Performs well in the winter\snow.
3. Performs well in any off road\pot hole ridden\side road(game lands roads). I dont care about overlanding or mud pits.
4. No rubbing\modifications with stock suspension.
5. Flush or a little of poke.
6. Ideally not drastically altering my mpg or trucks function.

From my research im getting the the vibe on using a 17x8.5 sized wheel. Method seems to be affordable and popular. So im fine with that. I also believe that based on my flush to minimal poke id be wanting to look for +25 offset? The following combination of tire sizes is what im commonly seeing being used and stating to be fine on stock suspensions. Anyone have confirmations or comments on such?

• 275/70/17
• 275/75/17
• 285/70/17
• 285/75/17

Im not sure if the two 285 tires are truly runnable without rubbing or cutting issues on a stock suspension? Can anyone confirm? Regardless, id be fine with the 275 options since it seems a bit more common and available and id imagine be a bit cheaper?

I went with Nokian outpost Nat. Two big reasons for me. First snow and ice these tires rated very well and haven’t disappointed. Second reason I really wanted to avoid E load tires, these have Amrid sidewalls for pot hole resistance, arguably the strongest sidewall that’s not E rated? Noise level is more than factory tires, I was a little disappointed at first but after about 1500-2000 miles they became much quieter. SL 285/70/r17 weight is 46lbs really can’t say if MPG is different due to winter conditions and alot of miles in 4x4 but I suspect a loss of about 1-2? Driving characteristics feel unchanged.

 

[tacorancher]

Just opinions here...

I would eliminate the Toyo's. I don't believe they performed as well as the other 2.

The Mickey's are definitely the most aggressive looking and highly rated for performance.

The AT4's are probably a little better than the others in wet conditions.

I'd still go with the Mickey's for good performance and weight savings. Why not maximize the weight instead of giving it up. Every little bit helps with this tiny gas tank, and unsprung weight is huge savings and maybe a little more giddyup.

I agree unless that weight translates into a larger size or thicker sidewalls

 

[tacorancher]

You need your own tires thread. Clearly you have a sickness.

Yeah yeah whatever. You and my wife are just haters.

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