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I recently tested the onboard 2400W 120V inverter on my Trailhunter, specifically to see how it performs in generator mode. Sharing my results and observations about how the truck’s hybrid system behaves, including when the engine cycles on and off. Hopefully, this helps others with similar questions about using the inverter in different power-draw scenarios. More tests to come including a peak 2400w and a DC-port side draw…

Truck Specs:

• Inverter: 2400W 120V AC
• Hybrid Battery Capacity: 1.87 kWh (NiMH) / test-unit power supply battery capacity: 1.4kWh solid state lithium

Test 1: 360W Continuous Load

• I set my power station to pull exactly 360W continuously from the truck’s inverter.
• With the truck off and the inverter running, I got the following engine cycles:
• Engine stayed off for 10 minutes while drawing 360W.
• Engine powdered on for 7 minutes to recharge the hybrid battery + supply 360w (continuous).
• After the engine shut off again, it stayed off for another 17 minutes, then ran for 6 minutes and 15 seconds before turning off again. (The longer engine off time can be attributed to the fact I made efforts to turn off all electrical systems on the truck during that cycle, including the infotainment screen, all dome lights, A/C, etc. the only thing I couldn’t turn off was the instrument cluster, which was dimmed to the lowest setting. So every watt counts if you’re looking to keep the engine from cycling frequently).

Test 2: 1117W Continuous Load

• I increased the load to 1117W.
• The engine stayed off for 8 minutes and 30 seconds before it kicked on to recharge. ~1/2 the inverter output capacity.

Key Insights from the Tests:

1. Usable Battery Capacity:
• At a 360W load, the hybrid battery provided about 60 Wh before the engine kicked on.
• At a 1117W load, it provided around 158 Wh before recharging.
• This suggests that the usable energy from the hybrid battery before the engine starts recharging can range from 60-158 Wh and possibly maxes at ~300w available, depending on the power draw. More on that below…
2. Engine Recharging Rate:
• During the 360W test, the engine seemed to recharge the battery at a rate of around 514W.
• In the 1117W test, the engine charged faster, around 1,516W.
• This suggests the truck’s charging rate scales with the power draw, increasing when larger loads are applied.
3. Engine Cycling Behavior:
• I noticed that the engine cycled similarly in both low and high-power tests, even though the load in the first test was only about a third of the power draw compared to the second.
• This might be due to the system’s focus on battery health, emissions, and fuel efficiency. The truck’s hybrid system likely aims to keep the battery within a specific charge range, preventing deep discharges and optimizing overall efficiency.
• It also keeps the battery ready for higher loads by maintaining a higher state of charge (SOC), ensuring the system can meet any quick power demands.

Initial takeaways for using the high output Inverter:

• For small loads (e.g., 360W), the engine will still cycle on relatively frequently, likely to protect the battery and keep the system ready for higher loads.
• The system seems to scale well with higher power demands, meaning it can handle larger loads without dramatically increasing engine runtime.

2024 Tacoma High Output Onboard Inverter & Generator Mode - Initial Test Results (2024 Trailhunter) IMG_6341


2024 Tacoma High Output Onboard Inverter & Generator Mode - Initial Test Results (2024 Trailhunter) IMG_6348
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Thanks for the information so far. I'm curious, can both the interior and exterior outlets be used concurrently? While driving or while in generator mode?
 
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Thanks for the information so far. I'm curious, can both the interior and exterior outlets be used concurrently? While driving or while in generator mode?
I believe they can as long as you don’t exceed peak load. Doing a test tomorrow that’ll get me very close to 2400w combined from both ports…
 

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Thanks for this. I’m very interested in learning more about this feature of the truck. No previous experience with inverters etc. I haven’t used the inverter yet maybe I’ll get at it today. From what I understand it’s push start button once (without Brake), AC120V switch on and that’s it?
 
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Thanks for this. I’m very interested in learning more about this feature of the truck. No previous experience with inverters etc. I haven’t used the inverter yet maybe I’ll get at it today. From what I understand it’s push start button once (without Brake), AC120V switch on and that’s it?
no, you need to start the vehicle, engage brake / power on then activate the accessory. I don’t think* the cabin can be locked while the inverter/ generator mode is active as well. Trying a few tricks with a key fob this morning. The inverter is much more integral guts of the iForceMax than I previously suspected.

EDIT: no dice on locking the cab w/the inverter in operation. Engineering requires the operator is present. In someone like Ron’s situation (air conditioned trailer) he wouldn’t be able to lock up and step away from the rig. Not a dealbreaker for someone overnighting in boondocks who wants the inverter to run through the night, but in urban environments the accessory is essentially relegated to function while you’re driving the vehicle (charging a power station, fridge daisy-chained to it, etc). No feature currently on the Toyota app to engage the accessory remotely.
 
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no, you need to start the vehicle, engage brake / power on then activate the accessory. I don’t think* the cabin can be locked while the inverter/ generator mode is active as well. Trying a few tricks with a key fob this morning. The inverter is much more integral guts of the iForceMax than I previously suspected.

EDIT: no dice on locking the cab w/the inverter in operation. Engineering requires the operator is present. In someone like Ron’s situation (air conditioned trailer) he wouldn’t be able to lock up and step away from the rig. Not a dealbreaker for someone overnighting in boondocks who wants the inverter to run through the night, but in urban environments the accessory is essentially relegated to function while you’re driving the vehicle (charging a power station, fridge daisy-chained to it, etc). No feature currently on the Toyota app to engage the accessory remotely.
I'm guessing you have to press an accessory button to turn on everything meaning a remote start with the app wouldn't do anything? What about using the emergency/manual key to lock/unlock?

Ps I don't have the hybrid so I don't know anything about it's operation. Just chiming in.
 
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I'm guessing you have to press an accessory button to turn on everything meaning a remote start with the app wouldn't do anything? What about using the emergency/manual key to lock/unlock?

Ps I don't have the hybrid so I don't know anything about it's operation. Just chiming in.
Haven’t tried using the manual key. Great idea, will give it a shot. Will run through all possible locking scenarios again…
 
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Yep - using the physical key in the fob will allow you to run generator mode and lock the cabin. The physical key overrides the fob’s radio transmitter until you unlock it. Also the aluminum key card & door handle sensors seem to obey the physical key locking action. So that’s cool.

The only caveat here is the tailgate can be opened while all this is occurring. My trailhunter doesn’t have a physical lock, and I’ve tried moving the fob into the bed to simulate a lock-in scenerio w/ a topper or RTT. Until they update this, anyone can just roll up and open your tailgate while you’re camping or running an errand with the inverter doing its thing. If you have an empty bed, no big deal. But if your camping overnight in area where you want that tailgate ironclad, this is an issue. Your sleeping w/the fob in close proximity to the tailgate, it cannot distinguish if you’re the owner or not. And that’s irrespective if you’re running generator mode or everything is shut down. The physical key is most likely essential for any situational camping scenario as a result. Somebody can just walk up to your campsite and open the truck’s doors if you’re up on the roof sleeping w/the fob the way I look at this
 
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Yep - using the physical key in the fob will allow you to run generator mode and lock the cabin. The physical key overrides the fob’s radio transmitter until you unlock it. Also the aluminum key card & door handle sensors seem to obey the physical key locking action. So that’s cool.

The only caveat here is the tailgate can be opened while all this is occurring. My trailhunter doesn’t have a physical lock, and I’ve tried moving the fob into the bed to simulate a lock-in scenerio w/ a topper or RTT. Until they update this, anyone can just roll up and open your tailgate while you’re camping or running an errand with the inverter doing its thing. If you have an empty bed, no big deal. But if your camping overnight in area where you want that tailgate ironclad, this is an issue. Your sleeping w/the fob in close proximity to the tailgate, it cannot distinguish if you’re the owner or not. And that’s irrespective if you’re running generator mode or everything is shut down. The physical key is most likely essential for any situational camping scenario as a result. Somebody can just walk up to your campsite and open the truck’s doors if you’re up on the roof sleeping w/the fob the way I look at this
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no, you need to start the vehicle, engage brake / power on then activate the accessory. I don’t think* the cabin can be locked while the inverter/ generator mode is active as well. Trying a few tricks with a key fob this morning. The inverter is much more integral guts of the iForceMax than I previously suspected.

EDIT: no dice on locking the cab w/the inverter in operation. Engineering requires the operator is present. In someone like Ron’s situation (air conditioned trailer) he wouldn’t be able to lock up and step away from the rig. Not a dealbreaker for someone overnighting in boondocks who wants the inverter to run through the night, but in urban environments the accessory is essentially relegated to function while you’re driving the vehicle (charging a power station, fridge daisy-chained to it, etc). No feature currently on the Toyota app to engage the accessory remotely.
I see what you mean. Had to start the truck to get it to work. Wasn’t expecting it to work that way.
 
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Thanks for the information so far. I'm curious, can both the interior and exterior outlets be used concurrently? While driving or while in generator mode?
3rd test yielded similar cycles engine on/off at a combined 2,382 watts pulled from both AC ports. Off for ~5 minutes, on for ~9 minutes. Today’s ambient temps were in the mid 80s and my power station was fairly warm from collecting solar all day so I cranked the A/C in the cab to cool down the cab for test #3.

also noticed if you manually lock the cab w/the physical key and remove the fob from range entirely then come back to the vehicle the tailgate buttons no longer respond. But a faraday bag is probably the best option regardless of your overnighting setup.

Really impressed with this inverter. Clean sine, no interruptions. It’ll easily power your home’s critical appliances in a power outage. Couple it with a power station, you’ll have a surplus of energy at your fingertips with this truck.
 

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Very cool stuff! How much gas did the engine burn when charging?
 
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Very cool stuff! How much gas did the engine burn when charging?
So…along the grapevine, from the N.A. Toyota engineers to the guys at XOverland: the engine idle will consume about 3/4 gallon of gas for every continuous hour of idle time. Since it’s parsed in reality on/off cycles, I’m ballparking conservatively that for every hour of generator mode you might use up to 1/2 gallon of fuel.

summer/wintertime trips with range noted before and after each night will give better clarity on energy demand and what the engine needs to produce during those non-driving times. My first camp trip is later in October once the cameras are moved & camper is loaded
 
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no, you need to start the vehicle, engage brake / power on then activate the accessory. I don’t think* the cabin can be locked while the inverter/ generator mode is active as well. Trying a few tricks with a key fob this morning. The inverter is much more integral guts of the iForceMax than I previously suspected.

EDIT: no dice on locking the cab w/the inverter in operation. Engineering requires the operator is present. In someone like Ron’s situation (air conditioned trailer) he wouldn’t be able to lock up and step away from the rig. Not a dealbreaker for someone overnighting in boondocks who wants the inverter to run through the night, but in urban environments the accessory is essentially relegated to function while you’re driving the vehicle (charging a power station, fridge daisy-chained to it, etc). No feature currently on the Toyota app to engage the accessory remotely.
One thing I didn’t try today was the USB-C plugs on the opposite side of the bed. Guessing they are the same. Truck running, AC 120 on etc etc.
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