Hybrid vs Nonhybrid 2024 Tacoma

[bandit67]

There will be a VERY big difference in power between the iForce and iForce MAX. I own a Ranger with the 4 cylinder turbo with the same power specs as the new Tacoma iForce. When deciding between the 2 trucks 5 years ago, a big reason I went with the Ranger was because it ran circles around the V6 Tacoma, power-wise. That amount of power is pretty impressive and will be plenty for most 2024 Tacoma buyers.

But for the folks who want, need, or are just plain power hounds, the MAX platform should be worth the extra roughly $3k. I am hoping Toyota plans to put the MAX powerplant in the 6' bed crew cab in the next year in the SR5, Sport, & Off Road, after selling a bunch of 2024 Trail Hunters. The Trail Hunter is the only configuration so far with both the MAX and the 6' bed.

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[Tacanta14]

The guess is about $3,000 more for the iForceMax (Hybrid) compared to the iForce (ICE). The hybrid will get you 326 HP and 465 lb. ft torque, compared to 278hp and 317 lb. ft of torque with the regular gas (ICE). So it's not just a little difference, it could drive like a completely different truck.

I have a RAV4 Prime (Plug in Hybrid), I have driven a standard ICE RAV4. I would never buy the ICE version of that vehicle, it feels very slow and underpowered after the Prime.

You also get a 2,000 watt outlet in the bed (which for me is a big deal) larger tires on hybrid versions (the hybrid Off Road will have larger tires than the ICE Off Road), maybe a little better gas mileage, and almost certainly better resale.

Negatives are extra weight and you lose storage under the back seat. I dont care about the storage because those seats will never be down anyway, an adult human can't sit back there (IMO).

I would've preferred a hybrid system that was a little lighter on the torque/hp and more focused on efficiency (a 4x4 Tacoma that got 30mpg would've been amazing), thats why I still have to think about it. I'm waiting until the iForceMax prices come out to make a final decision. By then we should have feedback if the trucks are giving people trouble too..

My opinion, if it's just an extra $3,000 I'll probably do it. I'd rather spend $3,000 on the Hybrid system than heated seats/steering wheel, fake leather, etc. Hybrid systems are starting be like A/C in the 70's and 80's. It used to be unreliable and people thought it wasn't worth the extra headaches. Now, you just assume it's there and it rarely gives you trouble. Especially from Toyota, they dont like full Battery Electric Cars, but they've pretty much perfected Hybrid Technology.

Good arguments for getting the MAX, and I think it's a 2400 watt inverter, and 18" wheels as opposed to 17" on the OR I Force Max vs I Force, so the bigger tires will probably have about the same height in rubber, so either should air down OK. I think, but I could be wrong.

 

[Tacohunter2024]

Good arguments for getting the MAX, and I think it's a 2400 watt inverter, and 18" wheels as opposed to 17" on the OR I Force Max vs I Force, so the bigger tires will probably have about the same height in rubber, so either should air down OK. I think, but I could be wrong.

You are correct, it is 2400 watts. Ill correct it up there to reduce confusion.

My understanding is; they will have the same rims but slightly larger tires (33") on the hybrid version because the ICE would lose mpgs trying to turn the larger tires, but the hybrid has the torque/already ahead in mpgs anyway, to make it unnoticeable. I haven't read that as frequently, so it may just be me hoping thats right, lol

 

[TalkingTaco444]

Idk about everyone else, but $3000 is a small price to pay for that much more power, slight mpg boost, instant torque due to the electric motor, higher payload (if true. Everything I’ve read is hybrid off road has a good bit more than non-hybrid) etc. not to mention this is directly in line or even less than other manufacturers.

Everyone has their own needs.

 

[907Yota]

The bigger engine is $3,000 more? If so, I'll get the other engine. That's a steep increase. Any idea when the price will be announced?

Same engine in the hybrid. It just has a second electric motor married to the transmission. So your money is paying for the extra motor plus a good sized battery under the rear seat.

 

[Gear_yyc]

My opinion, if it's just an extra $3,000 I'll probably do it. I'd rather spend $3,000 on the Hybrid system than heated seats/steering wheel, fake leather, etc. Hybrid systems are starting be like A/C in the 70's and 80's. It used to be unreliable and people thought it wasn't worth the extra headaches. Now, you just assume it's there and it rarely gives you trouble. Especially from Toyota, they dont like full Battery Electric Cars, but they've pretty much perfected Hybrid Technology.

Not sure what the US will offer, but in Canada, the only option for the hybrid Off Road is the Premium package. You can't get base options with hybrid. As such, you are still paying for the Softex, heated steering wheel, etc etc. But I value those things so that's the one I'm getting anyway.
And yeah, the gas Off Road has 17" wheels with 265/70R17 and the hybrid Off Road has 18" wheels with 265/70R18 so just a bit taller and a bit extra ground clearance.

 

[Nuke]

That "boost motor" has quite a bit of controls and hydraulics/pump (for a wet clutch) associated with it. The more I think about it, the more I lean away from a hybrid. Let's be honest, bottom line it is really all about meeting federal emission/economy requirements. Looking at it from Toyota's standpoint, it is very risky to their pristine reliability reputation.

 

[Tacohunter2024]

Not sure what the US will offer, but in Canada, the only option for the hybrid Off Road is the Premium package. You can't get base options with hybrid. As such, you are still paying for the Softex, heated steering wheel, etc etc. But I value those things so that's the one I'm getting anyway.
And yeah, the gas Off Road has 17" wheels with 265/70R17 and the hybrid Off Road has 18" wheels with 265/70R18 so just a bit taller and a bit extra ground clearance.

That's good information, thank you. That's what I'm afraid of, getting the hybrid removes your ability to select options i.e. Hybrid instead of Premium package. If thats the case in the US, I will not get the hybrid and go with a ICE model where I have more of a choice.

I have the RAV 4 Prime XSE Premium, it has everything the vehicle comes with. I've found I would prefer cloth seats, I rarely use the heated or ventilated seats or steering wheel (even in upstate NY), the hands free tailgate doesn't work, and I forget what the other options are that I paid a lot of money for and never use. That's me though, I'm certainly not going to judge someone based on what options they like in their car, lol

I do like the 360 camera system and the wireless charger in my RAV4 though. Unfortunately, in the Tacoma OR, that translates to Premium package @ $8,000+ for those 2 options.

I'm thinking more and more about leasing a GMC Canyon AT4. Sure it's not going to last as long as the Tacoma, but it will be under warranty the life of the lease, then it's their problem, lol. I love the new Tacoma, I don't even really mind the pricing...it's more the way they set up the packages and models. Give me a 4x4 OR with the xtracab/6ft bed and my order is already in.

 

[StreeTaco]

I’m all in for iMAX ,, I currently own a 2010 Prius and it’s my DD commuter. 14 years & 312,000mi later, with zero issues, I have full faith that a modern Toyota hybrid, with 14 more years of R&D nonetheless, will be just as reliable. Also, close family members and friends own RAV4 hybrid and a Highlander Hybrid(sharing this same 2.4L layout, albeit horizontal) models with zero issues. With a very strong warranty on its hybrid components, I will drive my new Pro to its fullest extent with no fu€s given.

 

[Nuke]

Yes, we have a 2021 Highlander Hybrid Limited with zero issues. Toyota does their homework, and hopefully has their ducks in a row with the new, more complex, systems. However, would be curious to know what percentage of your 2010 Prius battery capacity remains? Has the MPG decreased? I presume it is a NiMH? By far my choice, especially in cold/hot climates.

 

[Ron]

Idk about everyone else, but $3000 is a small price to pay for that much more power, slight mpg boost, instant torque due to the electric motor, higher payload (if true. Everything I’ve read is hybrid off road has a good bit more than non-hybrid) etc. not to mention this is directly in line or even less than other manufacturers.

Everyone has their own needs.

The Hybrid will have more payload ?
The hybrid components weigh more than the bits that not needed (alternator etc) which by itself would suggest lower payload.
What else is different ? As was mentioned, different tires could support more payload.
What's the limiting factor ?

 

[Gear_yyc]

The Hybrid will have more payload ?
The hybrid components weigh more than the bits that not needed (alternator etc) which by itself would suggest lower payload.
What else is different ? As was mentioned, different tires could support more payload.
What's the limiting factor ?

The rear brakes are larger on the hybrids as well. Not sure if they're changing out springs or not? But I think TFL's TRD Sport only has 1200lbs payload and I think the TH is supposed to be around 1600lbs, so if that's true, they're definitely increasing the GVWR by more than enough to cover the battery weight.

 

[Tsturbo]

I’ll be curious to see real payload numbers on hybrid - particularly 4wd crew cabs. The non-hybrids are still pretty low. I’m seeing ~1200 lbs from reviews that show door sticker. If hybrid system cuts into that number then wouldn’t have much payload left for towing or hauling.

Interesting, most of what I have read is that the hybrid(s) will have a payload close to 1,700 lbs. they also will have a larger rear differential and bigger rear brakes. I think we are looking at about a $3,500 - $3,700 price difference for the hybrid. I “plan” to purchase the hybrid, but that decision will not be finalized until we get all the information (price, MPG’s, towing reviews).

I am buying the Limited spec, that with the hybrid you get AWD which is great for me, the ICE Limited gets a traditional 4WD system, ours will be a pavement princess and tow rig, so I actually prefer that vs a traditional 4WD system in all the other specs, of course except 2WD units.

 

[Tsturbo]

After reading the comments here, i think I'll go non-hybrid. There's not enough difference in two to justify the cost difference. The standard engine has more power and performance than my 19 TRD OFF ROAD 4X4 auto. Am I right?

HP is the same and about 50lbs more torque, the max power comes on much sooner and lower in the rpm’s (much much better power band vs. Gen 3.

 

[Tsturbo]

The Hybrid will have more payload ?
The hybrid components weigh more than the bits that not needed (alternator etc) which by itself would suggest lower payload.
What else is different ? As was mentioned, different tires could support more payload.
What's the limiting factor ?

Tires will remain the same on the Limited spec (265/65/18) hybrid or ICE, I believe the Sport has the same also.

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