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So when you look at the weight capacities in the 2023 Tacoma and 2024 Tundra manuals they list them being a couple hundred pounds less than what seems to be reported at dealers and media reviews. What's that all about? See below:

2024 Tacoma Payload, GVWR, GAWR Figures for 2024 Tacoma (published in owners manual) Screenshot_20231214_071338_Samsung Notes


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A quick google search showed that the previous gen did have door stickers that matched the owners manual. Itā€™s possible that Toyota published the minimum numbers for each configuration and didnā€™t account for option differences. The only numbers that matters is GVWR - curb weight. The door sticker on my grand Cherokee says 1050lbs yet GVWR - curb weight is more like 1350. Every TRD OR SB may say 1200lbs but itā€™s likely thereā€™s more than 100lbs difference between a base and fully loaded premium w/ sway bar disconnect. This is just speculation but if a fully optioned TRD OR has 1200lb thatā€™s not terrible but it would be if that is just for the base spec.

18g fuel tank is another disappointment when the Colorado and ranger raptor get 21g. Itā€™s not as big of a deal for daily driving but has a big impact on range when towing or over landing. I tow a 6k lb trailer regularly and usually get 10-12mpg. Iā€™d be stopping a lot more frequently which isnā€™t always the easiest to navigate with a trailer.
 

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A quick google search showed that the previous gen did have door stickers that matched the owners manual. Itā€™s possible that Toyota published the minimum numbers for each configuration and didnā€™t account for option differences. The only numbers that matters is GVWR - curb weight. The door sticker on my grand Cherokee says 1050lbs yet GVWR - curb weight is more like 1350. Every TRD OR SB may say 1200lbs but itā€™s likely thereā€™s more than 100lbs difference between a base and fully loaded premium w/ sway bar disconnect. This is just speculation but if a fully optioned TRD OR has 1200lb thatā€™s not terrible but it would be if that is just for the base spec.

18g fuel tank is another disappointment when the Colorado and ranger raptor get 21g. Itā€™s not as big of a deal for daily driving but has a big impact on range when towing or over landing. I tow a 6k lb trailer regularly and usually get 10-12mpg. Iā€™d be stopping a lot more frequently which isnā€™t always the easiest to navigate with a trailer.
I can guarantee you the 1200lbs is for a bare bone TRD Offroad and not a fully loaded one. Expect the fully loaded version with 1000lbs or less.
Hybrid might get a bit more because 18in wheels support bigger brakes.

i agree on the tank disappointment, but if the hybrid also gets 18g it wonā€™t be as much of an issue because better mpg. Except the truck is already overpriced as is so I can only imagine how much it will cost with the hybrid..
 

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I can guarantee you the 1200lbs is for a bare bone TRD Offroad and not a fully loaded one. Expect the fully loaded version with 1000lbs or less.
Hybrid might get a bit more because 18in wheels support bigger brakes.
So after some sleuthing yesterday and opening a can of toyota payload worms I think the 24 Taco payload will be much better than 1200. 24 Tundra and 23 Taco listed sticker/manual payloads are hundreds of pounds lower than real GVWR-curbweight. This appears to go for the 24 Taco too.
GVWR for Offroad Taco according to manual: 6240
Curb weight as tested by Car and Driver (with full tank according to their protocol): 4794

Actual available payload for fully loaded offroad with full tank: 1446

Not too shabby, something without a premium package and sway bar disconnect may actually be approaching 1600 or 1700. I'll happily eat my own criticism in this case.

2024 Tacoma Payload, GVWR, GAWR Figures for 2024 Tacoma (published in owners manual) Screenshot_20231214_164128_Samsung Notes


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So after some sleuthing yesterday and opening a can of toyota payload worms I think the 24 Taco payload will be much better than 1200. 24 Tundra and 23 Taco listed sticker/manual payloads are hundreds of pounds lower than real GVWR-curbweight. This appears to go for the 24 Taco too.
GVWR for Offroad Taco according to manual: 6240
Curb weight as tested by Car and Driver (with full tank according to their protocol): 4794

Actual available payload for fully loaded offroad with full tank: 1446

Not too shabby, some thing without a premium package and sway bar disconnect may actually be approaching 1600 or 1700. I'll happily eat my own criticism in this case.

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if a Fully loaded Off road gets 1450 and a Fully Loaded Trailhunter gets 1250 I will also eat my criticism about payload.
CR numbers could be wrong and so at this point our next best shot is to get a photo of the door sticker of a Trailhunter and see. The Iforce max will be quite heavier but at the same time should have higher GVWR. So it remains speculation at this point.
 

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if a Fully loaded Off road gets 1450 and a Fully Loaded Trailhunter gets 1250 I will also eat my criticism about payload.
CR numbers could be wrong and so at this point our next best shot is to get a photo of the door sticker of a Trailhunter and see. The Iforce max will be quite heavier but at the same time should have higher GVWR. So it remains speculation at this point.
If it's anything like the Tundra, the GVWR for hybrid goes up accordingly and results in similar available payloads to non hybrid. I can't remember where I read it (or if it's reliable) but I remember hearing 1709 max payload for hybrid models (4x4, double cab only) and something like 1685 for non hybrid in the 24 taco. Maybe things aren't too bad fot the trailhunter if the door sticker says anything over 1000 lbs.

Here is a platinum hybrid tundra, gotta be one of the heaviest trucks they make:

2024 Tacoma Payload, GVWR, GAWR Figures for 2024 Tacoma (published in owners manual) Screenshot_20231214_180136_Chrome
 

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So after some sleuthing yesterday and opening a can of toyota payload worms I think the 24 Taco payload will be much better than 1200. 24 Tundra and 23 Taco listed sticker/manual payloads are hundreds of pounds lower than real GVWR-curbweight. This appears to go for the 24 Taco too.
GVWR for Offroad Taco according to manual: 6240
Curb weight as tested by Car and Driver (with full tank according to their protocol): 4794

Actual available payload for fully loaded offroad with full tank: 1446

Not too shabby, something without a premium package and sway bar disconnect may actually be approaching 1600 or 1700. I'll happily eat my own criticism in this case.
I think that's likely what is going on here. 1446 for a fully loaded TRD OR is very respectable and leaves a lot of room for larger tires and accessories. The Canyon AT4 is about 1500lbs and my loaded ZR2 w/o sunroof is at 1280lbs.
 

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So this is pretty interesting from what someone pulled up from the new manual than was released. If this is the case, you can tack on 750 lbs and subtract driver/passenger weight from there. Kind of confusing how its worded though.
2024 Tacoma Payload, GVWR, GAWR Figures for 2024 Tacoma (published in owners manual) upload_2023-12-17_10-18-14
 

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So this is pretty interesting from what someone pulled up from the new manual than was released. If this is the case, you can tack on 750 lbs and subtract driver/passenger weight from there. Kind of confusing how its worded though.
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It's very confusing and their wording is not consistent throughout the manual.

Page 613 shows "vehicle capacityweight (occupants + luggage)" as 1200lbs.

Page 664 shows "cargo weight rating" as 450lbs.

They further complicate it by listing it based on the obscure model codes that are difficult to decipher.

It appears that Toyota underrates their door stickers by a couple hundred pounds just to keep us guessing.
 

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I found the best data so far in the video below.

They CAT weight a 2024 Limited and GVWR - measured weight (tank of gas was not completely full) = 1500 lbs, letā€™s assume it was missing a few gallons and we are right there with what Billy calculated for the Off Road in the post above (1450 lbs).

This is an improvement over last gen and I stand corrected. However it is a fact the Trailhunter will add hundreds of pounds with the hybrid (which hopefully is offset with higher GVWR), but it will also add hundreds of pounds of rear bumper steel, rock sliders, skid plates, compressor, etc. So it remains to be seen where it sits at. The numbers for the limited are encouraging though.

A Ranger Raptor comes at 1450 lbs as well, but it is more comparable to a TRD Pro as it has a bigger more powerful engine than the non hybrid TRD Offroad, and more off road features.
The ZR2 comes at 1280 but also includes stuff like rock sliders not present on the TRD Offroad. Therefore, at equal equipment those 3 trucks could end up being in the same ballpark.
Itā€˜s good to see though that for once Toyota is not lagging behind on payload.

If only they were in the same ballpark with pricing and not 10-15K over the competition (TRD Pro is estimated to be 60-65, Ranger Raptor is 55, ZR2 is 48)ā€¦
The Trailhunter is such a looker but if it comes out close to 65 it makes you think twice before buying when you can get a well equipped Tundra or F-150 for the same price.

 

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