First oil change at 840 miles with filter cut open (LOTS of debris!)

[saerandy]

Doing my first oil change at 5K when they rotate tires and Toyota Care does an inspection. I really like my Goose Gear rear delete and pretty sure I need to swap back to the OE rear seats for the multi-point inspection to go smoothly.

OEM filter doing its job. But how do you know for sure cutting the casing didn't expose the pleats to debris...

I used an oil filter cutter/opener [This One] that doesn't really leave shards in it. Also the metal debris and gasket sealer were all along the length of the pleats and not just at one end. As you can see in the pics. I also put together a Youtube video where I go through the filter pleat-by-pleat and show what it's caught. You can click here to see it.

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[Franko Manini]

You can find the comparisons & virgin UOAs at BITOG HERE and HERE and The Motor Oil Geek HERE

I love it when someone asks for a reference and the author can just slam one down. That's fantastic. I love a good reference drop.

 

[TrustButVerify]

You can find the comparisons & virgin UOAs at BITOG HERE and HERE and The Motor Oil Geek HERE

That may have changed within the last year. The moly in some recent samples of TGMO is showing around 80-100 ppm if memory serves. The type of moly used is more important than the quantity, as some types of moly are more effective than others. There's also a whole bunch of anti wear things added to oils not captured on those VOAs.

The biggest issue I have with the TGMO 0w-20 is it is an extremely thin base oil just absolutely steroid jacked with viscosity modifiers to stretch it out. That helps the fuel economy significantly but is it not always good for long term engine wear. Add in fuel dilution, shear, and it drops out of grade. This is a non-event for 5k oil changes, but does become impactful approaching 10k. The used oil analysis people have done on this T24A-FTS engine suggest it performs just fine up to 10k on the TGMO oils though. Reality is Toyota did the testing with their oils and I seriously doubt you will find an oil-related failure up to the life of the other components of the truck if you did 10k changes on TGMO 0w-20.

I had similar debris in my oil filter on a first oil change at around 1k miles. There were also some metal particles I found in mine. Mostly it was silicone sealer crap. The fact that it's in the filter is not a worry, as that means the filter did its job.

 

[TrustButVerify]

Unless you're rocking a 6MT, the tranny's are sealed- zero maintenance theoretically

Sealed just means no dipstick. They are far from maintenance free. The only complication, which requires zero tools and can be done DIY, is to put the truck into transmission temp check mode with the shifter to bring the temp up and let excess oil drain out.

Lock thermostat in place with a pin, drain with trans cool(ish), refill with cold (room temp) oil and let excess drain out of the standpipe.

Trans temp check mode, let it expand and get warm, drain the excess, and when it becomes a very slow drip you close the drain plug. Pull pin out of transmission thermostat.

That's it.

 

[Tacohunter2024]

TOTALLY AGREE! Is it worth saving ~$45 to wait until the free oil change from Toyota? Nobody is likely to have any issues for 100-150k miles but what about after that? I don't wanna sound like a conspiracy theorist, but when all those leases are returned for sale, and the folks leasing them followed this schedule, what does Toyota care?? Those vehicles are all out of warranty unless somebody purchases an extended warranty. I firmly believe in the durability and toughness of this engine, so I'd like to think that, regardless of a little bit of negligence will still result in million mile motors, but white chance it? These trucks are expensive and most everyone on here as far as I know want them to last for at least 10+ years. What's the extra 40 bucks all about?

I don't you're being a conspiracy theorist, I feel like you're probably exactly correct. Toyota-care costs Toyota money, but I'm sure they did research that told them it saved them money in the long run.

I don't even look at it as diabolical or anything, it makes good business sense:

"We reduce engine failures under warranty if people change their oil."
"How do we get people to change their oil?"
"We'll do it for free."

I can't fault them for that. I do think they found a middle ground between the ideal time (probably 5,000 - 7,000) and a time where it's absolutely too long (12,000+) to save money on Toyota-care. You're never going to convince me 10,000 miles is a good interval, especially for the first change.

 

[djDubbs]

I always get my initial oil change done before I hit 1000 miles and I did just that with my 24 Trailhunter

 

[Kroohrsr]

Not sure if mine has any debris but this is what I have done. I currently have 8k on my truck. I did an oil change by the dealer at 3k and 6.5k and the free one at 10k to come up soon. Not that the mechanics would check but nothing was noted in the paperwork. So fingers crossed.

My belief is you would be crazy to even consider a 10k first change. Maybe I went to far but it's worth it. I left them don't only because it's new under warranty and not willing to give them any reason to not cover any issues. I have my plan extended to 100k so hoping I am covered.

Is any metallics you found considered just normal wear in I guess. I would imaging there has to be some to start with

 

[Rope_photo]

The filter mess is why I designed this.

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You can find the file here if you have a 3D printer:

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6742234

Got one of these and LOVE it.

 

[saerandy]

Not sure if mine has any debris but this is what I have done. I currently have 8k on my truck. I did an oil change by the dealer at 3k and 6.5k and the free one at 10k to come up soon. Not that the mechanics would check but nothing was noted in the paperwork. So fingers crossed.

My belief is you would be crazy to even consider a 10k first change. Maybe I went to far but it's worth it. I left them don't only because it's new under warranty and not willing to give them any reason to not cover any issues. I have my plan extended to 100k so hoping I am covered.

Is any metallics you found considered just normal wear in I guess. I would imaging there has to be some to start with

That's the change schedule I plan to follow. Changes every 4000-5000 miles, at least until we get a bit more history with this engine. Every 10K may be fine but like I said, oil is cheap. Engines are not.

 

[Kroohrsr]

I highly suggest that if anyone does their own change or a quick service, they keep receipts. Warranties really look for that. Had that on another vehicle, inspector went to the mechanic and look for those docs. Especially power train motor issues.

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