4th gen hate

[bitflogger]

As a 2024 Tacoma owner I don’t understand the hate that this generation of truck gets. Previously I drove a 2021 f150 with the 3.5l and 10 speed automatic. This is my first midsize truck. The 8 speed automatic is a night and day difference compared to the 10 speed, I’ve never missed a shift and the 2.4l is very responsive and doesn’t feel underpowered. I’ve never driven a 3rd gen Tacoma however I have always heard that the main gripe with those trucks were the outdated materials and lack of power. It seems that this generation has addressed both concerns and provided a smoother transmission. If ford can make a 2.7 l eco boost that lasts upwards of 200k miles why are some assuming that the 2.4l will not also meet or exceed that mark? I feel that Toyota still makes the best midsize pickup and I am happy with my purchase. (Besides the trailer brake controller issue that is a huge pain in the ass)

Change, jealousy, success envy?????

Our long and much comparison shopping clearly showed it is good against the competition. My 4th gen doesn't in any way make my past Toyotas bad but it is superior in some important ways.

I'm not a fan of the mean look a lot of current vehicles have but would not give up new vehicle features, performance and safety.

Some criticism is silly to me in this way. It is not like Toyota hasn't had some design, manufacturing and customer support experience. They're only the biggest automaker, and this line is a top seller with good reputation.

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[tacorancher]

Change, jealousy, success envy?????

Our long and much comparison shopping clearly showed it is good against the competition. My 4th gen doesn't in any way make my past Toyotas bad but it is superior in some important ways.

I'm not a fan of the mean look a lot of current vehicles have but would not give up new vehicle features, performance and safety.

Some criticism is silly to me in this way. It is not like Toyota hasn't had some design, manufacturing and customer support experience. They're only the biggest automaker, and this line is a top seller with good reputation.

But didn’t you read that four cylinder turbos are bad bad bad? They will never last longer than 20,000 miles.

 

[bitflogger]

But didn’t you read that four cylinder turbos are bad bad bad? They will never last longer than 20,000 miles.

No. My profession requires accuracy, honesty, reading and technology skills. What I read was the Dynamic Force engine family was already years old, the 2.4 l already shipping in other products, and the light truck version 50%+ different parts to accommodate the truck type use.

I also read there was a warranty to address any risk for choosing the new generation.

My own bias was different than many. We owned two other first release Toyotas. The Internet was sure they would be horrible. They all served well with few problems and had incredibly high resale value.

 

[tacorancher]

No. My profession requires accuracy, honesty, reading and technology skills. What I read was the Dynamic Force engine family was already years old, the 2.4 l already shipping in other products, and the light truck version 50%+ different parts to accommodate the truck type use.

I also read there was a warranty to address any risk for choosing the new generation.

My own bias was different than many. We owned two other first release Toyotas. The Internet was sure they would be horrible. They all served well with few problems and had incredibly high resale value.

I agree. I was being sarcastic. I expect mine to work reliably for many, many, many thousands of miles.

Turbos aren’t new and Toyota is known to tune things very conservatively (low boost, good cooling). Also this powertrain is shared with the 4Runner and LC which means toyota simply won’t allow it to be a failure. Too much on the line.

 

[timetoeatpotatoes]

Most of it is jealousy. Some of it is the good old fashioned fear of change (I work in IT I get it, I hate change too) but the vitriol and personal attacks are from envy. If it was just normal "I don't like it" they wouldn't go entirely out of their way to shit on it and personally insult every new owner that posts.

They see something really nice, but they can't have it for whatever reason. Usually money. But they have a fragile ego so they can't really admit to themselves that "Well shit I just don't have the money" because acknowledging that makes them feel bad.

So they always have to invent some bullshit scenario in their head to justify why they don't have it another way. "Only stupid people would pay this much, nobody really uses it for truck stuff, its ugly, its for tech bros, the 4cyl will blow up as soon as it gets off the lot you would have to be an idiot to buy that" etc....

So it's not that "I don't have the money" its "only stupid people would buy that piece of junk and I'm not a stupid person so THAT'S why I don't have one". Just cope.

Toyota has been making turbos and 4cyl for decades; they are really good at it. previous gen Tacoma wasn't reliable because it had a v6. It was reliable because Toyota engineered it.

 

[WKTJR1]

They thump their chests, screaming nonsense about the Frontier, yet they'll never own that either.

 

[bitflogger]

I agree. I was being sarcastic. I expect mine to work reliably for many, many, many thousands of miles.

Turbos aren’t new and Toyota is known to tune things very conservatively (low boost, good cooling). Also this powertrain is shared with the 4Runner and LC which means toyota simply won’t allow it to be a failure. Too much on the line.

Yes, I got that. I did not take our option to be a first new gen Tacoma or Land Cruiser owner but was certain it was a safe choice by mid-summer 2024 when you also knew a few issues were past and volume was high.

The biggest auto maker in the world with a top reputation has moved about everything to a few platforms and engines. No way did they not give it much attention and is doubtful they'd risk harming a long and hard earned top reputation.

All one needs to do for some reasonable confidence is look at how they are handling the Tundra engine manufacturing problem vs the competitors handling some problems.

 

[BAQ717]

I question anyone who drives a 3G and prefers it to the 4G. That engine while reliable was an anemic boat anchor and the transmission was very outdated. The new generation is more powerful, more refined, more spacious, and better looking IMO. No hate on the previous gen, they’re great reliable trucks but the internet trolls knocking the latest and greatest are nothing but envious haters.

 

[tacorancher]

I question anyone who drives a 3G and prefers it to the 4G. That engine while reliable was an anemic boat anchor and the transmission was very outdated. The new generation is more powerful, more refined, more spacious, and better looking IMO. No hate on the previous gen, they’re great reliable trucks but the internet trolls knocking the latest and greatest are nothing but envious haters.

“boat anchor”

 

[Lando]

Yeah - that was a really dumb decision on Toyota's part and it has cost them a lot of respect. Why build a tough truck with great towing capability and leave something so crucial out?

I’ve never had a truck without a trailer brake controller until now. This issue really grinds me. So much so that I may prematurely consider another truck in another year or so. Either upgrade trim level (though I like an Off Road with a 6ft box) or move to a Tundra or back to a Sierra.

 

[wlmartin86]

I sold a 22 Ram 2500 Laramie with the Cummins diesel in January after having ordered/reserved my Tacoma in December. I enjoyed that truck and worked it hard, but no longer needed to be able to tow heavy as my farming partnership ended so I wanted something more fun and economical for my daily driving.

It took almost 7 weeks for my Tacoma to come in after I sold my Ram so I spent some time in borrowed vehicles - one of which was my dad's 2015 Tacoma TRD OR. It's a good truck but the whole time I was driving it I was thinking "oh Lord please don't let the 4th gen feel/drive like this one!". It'd been a while since I test drove a 4th gen so it made me worry.

Flash forward to late February when I picked my Tacoma up and the difference from that 2nd gen is astounding. This truck is almost as comfortable as my Ram and is just as responsive when power is needed (I have the hybrid).

I was an early adopter when Ford released their 3.5 EcoBoost so I guess I'm not worried about "downsized" engines, they always end up better than what they replaced. I can absolutely say I love this truck with only a couple of things I would like changed. I've wanted a Tacoma since I can remember (born in '86) and I'm glad to finally have one! We also like it so much that we'll be replacing our 5th gen 4Runner Limited with a 6th gen or Land Cruiser later this year.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Tacomaworld is a cesspool of toxins…..People have a lot of anger over there.
People dislike what they dont have or cant afford, or many are upside down in their trucks, tried to trade, found out they traded to many times and are over buried in negative equity, …soo. They nit pick everything for the 4G , only trying to convince themselves they are so happy with current truck, lol. Its a circle.

Tundras.com and Tacomaworld's problems aren't the forums members per se. It's the moderators that seem to play favorites. I'm talking about TJColorado. For a time, I was on the tundras site and a small minority of 3rd gen owners had to endure the constant trashing of every 3rd gen section post by a group of non 3rd gen owners. It got bad and some of us would push back, only to get temporary bans from TJ. The guy just allowed non owners to continue to trash with little to no consequences. When I first got my tacoma, I signed up on Tacomaworld, only to find the same exact toxic behavior and TJ who let it all happen. I finally left. After a while, I found this site and read for a while to see how people behaved. I quickly found that members of this forum were objectivley more mature and helpful. I'm happy to be here and enjoy 99% of our interactions.

 

[tacorancher]

Tundras.com and Tacomaworld's problems aren't the forums members per se. It's the moderators that seem to play favorites. I'm talking about TJColorado. For a time, I was on the tundras site and a small minority of 3rd gen owners had to endure the constant trashing of every 3rd gen section post by a group of non 3rd gen owners. It got bad and some of us would push back, only to get temporary bans from TJ. The guy just allowed non owners to continue to trash with little to no consequences. When I first got my tacoma, I signed up on Tacomaworld, only to find the same exact toxic behavior and TJ who let it all happen. I finally left. After a while, I found this site and read for a while to see how people behaved. I quickly found that members of this forum were objectivley more mature and helpful. I'm happy to be here and enjoy 99% of our interactions.

Exactly. When I post on TW, I have to brace for impact and do some meditation.

 

[astroboy]

Tundras.com and Tacomaworld's problems aren't the forums members per se. It's the moderators that seem to play favorites. I'm talking about TJColorado. For a time, I was on the tundras site and a small minority of 3rd gen owners had to endure the constant trashing of every 3rd gen section post by a group of non 3rd gen owners. It got bad and some of us would push back, only to get temporary bans from TJ. The guy just allowed non owners to continue to trash with little to no consequences. When I first got my tacoma, I signed up on Tacomaworld, only to find the same exact toxic behavior and TJ who let it all happen. I finally left. After a while, I found this site and read for a while to see how people behaved. I quickly found that members of this forum were objectivley more mature and helpful. I'm happy to be here and enjoy 99% of our interactions.

The key word is mature. Not in an age level kind of thing, but more of the intellectual level. If only they can establish a valid point in their argument, then I will take the time to listen. Their mindset: It's newer, better. I do not have it, nor can afford it, ergo: it's trash. They are all over the place, that even in person I am not thrilled to see a fellow Tacoma owner unless they have a 4th gen. Thinking that they most likely will have a negative biased opinion on the truck that I chose to purchase.

 

[Airborne]

Tundras.com and Tacomaworld's problems aren't the forums members per se. It's the moderators that seem to play favorites. I'm talking about TJColorado. For a time, I was on the tundras site and a small minority of 3rd gen owners had to endure the constant trashing of every 3rd gen section post by a group of non 3rd gen owners. It got bad and some of us would push back, only to get temporary bans from TJ. The guy just allowed non owners to continue to trash with little to no consequences. When I first got my tacoma, I signed up on Tacomaworld, only to find the same exact toxic behavior and TJ who let it all happen. I finally left. After a while, I found this site and read for a while to see how people behaved. I quickly found that members of this forum were objectivley more mature and helpful. I'm happy to be here and enjoy 99% of our interactions.

I fully get it, i was banned by him for 60 days, have no idea why, i contacted the admins, and got a response because i guess i phrased my sentence to be offensive, ironicly it was TJ that banned me, and i was telling a guy bashing 4g. , they said i was harrassing the member that bashed the 4G
, i never posted again over there, still have membership but i want nothing to do with that toxic dump
David

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